19 October 2009

ISRAEL WANTS PEACE~BEND OVER~HERE IT COMES....


Two reports out today (below) that "appear" to show a jovial Netanyahu suddenly announcing "The Settlement problem is resolved." And then "The Palestinians should talk to us already." and "We will start talks with the Palestinians without Pre-Conditions." Holy Shit Batman, Please people do not get excited. This is the SAME horrid evil man who has allowed more and more settlements to be built and vowed Jerusalem will be the undivided capital of Israel. No, there's something else amiss here. Israel NEVER does anything for the right reasons; only if they are "under threat" or "getting something" do they move position. This is still early days, but perhaps it's the goldstone report fallout. I can't imagine Obama would want to have to be in a position of using the American UN Security council veto to block the report. Not after his co called "new beginning with the Muslims world" speech in Cairo and all that nonsense. That would be tantamount to telling the Arab/Muslim world that democracy never works for you, which leaves one alternative.....resistance, armed and otherwise.

Additionally Obama wants to appear "different" than Bush, who gave the veto to Israel at will. So best guess is that Netanyahu will give over on building "more" settlements, keep the ones he has, dismantling all the little shitty ones he doesn't want, and this will be hailed as a "miraculous" concession by the US and Israel. Imagine if you will, the audacity of this, that Israel has decided to give up only SOME of what it NEVER legally owned!

Another reason is Goldstone is not to be taken lightly folks. As there are technically NO Israeli Civilians, they ALL serve in the Army, so that means that anytime some Israeli wants to leave Israel to come to England or anywhere else for a vacation, or to attend college, or for any other reason, they could find themselves arrested for war crimes. And this most likely would take place in some tiny little country somewhere where you’d least expect it. They find themselves behind bars and on trail. They need this report to go away. So they will do their “own” investigation as the report calls for then a few low level IDF soldiers will have their hand slapped (no commanders, generals or anyone of importance who ordered the murders) and then that will be that. Israel cooperated, story over. Ah, but the WORLD won’t be happy with the results, and that is where the Palestinains come into this mess, as it really won’t be over unless the Palestinians and the Arab states say Goldstone is over. And they may make other attempts to cause problems at the UN for Israel. So, America will praise Israel and attack Hamas for its small part and then point to the “great progress” in the Israeli Palestinians situation. Then call for the report to be quashed in the “interest” of ongoing “peace” Just like Israel attempted to do now when they claimed the Goldstone report could end the “Peace Process” when there was “no peace process” to loose, so it was a bit too early as they had “no track record” of appearing to be agreeable to moving forward in any peace deal. Now they will create these “facts” on the ground over the next few days, weeks and months. Expect them to now appear to be most agreeable towards peace, settlements and an ultimate resolution to the situation. Key word here is “appear”

Then the pressure will be brought upon the Palestinians to drop support for Goldstone in return for the bribe they got on settlements and whatever else Israel decides to throw in to sweeten the pot, like the new phone system and other trivial things that cannot compare to the 1400 murdered in Gaza remembered in the Goldstone report. After all, in addition to the "miraculous settlement agreement" mentioned above and the other little prizes, if Israel is involved in "so called" negotiations WITH the Palestinians in March, this too will be used as a reason to drop support for the report before it reaches the Security Council. Also, let me say, that I wonder if the Palestinians had any say in this "miraculous" settlement agreement made between the US and Israel. Don’t you just love how two other countries decide how much stolen land will be returned to the rightful owners? Without the rightful owners involved in discussions? Absurd! What we are talking about here is nothing more than dictatorship by the US and Israel. Ah well, rant over for now, as there will be plenty of time to say more during the upcoming "one sided" negotiations. Here are the two reports:
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said that talks between Israel and the U.S. over construction in the West Bank settlements had ended and the two countries had resolved settlements row, local daily Ha'aretz reported Monday.

Netanyahu made these remarks while meeting visiting Spanish Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero last Thursday, saying "we solved the matter of the settlements with the Americans," according to the report.

"I cannot say more than that. If you are interested in hearing more details, ask in Washington," the Israeli premier was quoted as saying.

It is not clear what Netanyahu meant and what details of the "solution" are, but this is the first time that Netanyahu said the settlements issue has been solved, said Ha'aretz.

The settlements issue is the main bone of contention between the Obama administration and Israel. source
AND THIS:
Sources in Jerusalem said that Netanyahu spoke about the matter after his representatives Mike Herzog and Yitzhak Molcho reached agreements in Washington during their talks last week.

Zapatero told Netanyahu of his visit to the White House two days before his arrival in Jerusalem. He said he was obsessed with Obama, and that there will never be another chance where a man who professes values such as his will be president, and everyone must help him realize his vision.

Netanyahu responded to Zapatero, saying he was willing to start talks with the Palestinians without any pre-conditions.

"The Palestinians should talk to us already," Netanyahu said source
So, the Palestinians should "talk to us" and would that include ALL the Palestinians who were elected democratically? Or just the ones you can manipulate?

11 comments:

Saladin said...

I spend these last few days IRISH,thinking about the subject of agrement betwen Hamas and fatah,and then it came to me and i said to myself:what an idiot your are,how didnt you manage to put 2 and 2 together!Looks like from the whole depresion that is building in my mind regarding injustice in palestine my brain is starting somethimes to work very slow!

And i finaly put 2 and 2 together and realize how this is another BIG JOKE,and another profe that justice will never prevail!!

EGYPT IS A PUPPET OF ISRAEL AND USA,SO ITS INPOSIBLE THAT HE WILL PUT ON PAPER A FAIR AGREMENT FOR THE NEXT UNITY GOVERMENT!!
AGAIN,HOW STUPID I WAS!OF COURSE THAT EGYPT WILL PUT ON THE PAPER THE CONDITIONS THAT THEY MUST ABANDON THE RIGHT TO RESIST,THE RIGHT OF RETURN AND THAT NEED TO ACEPTING ISRAEL AS THE JEWISH STATE!!
SO OF COURSE THAT HAMAS DONT WANT TO SIGN THE PAPER!WHAT WAS I THINKING REALY!!??
AND THE OTHER PARTYS ALSO THINK THAT THE EGYPT AGREMENT IS POINTLESS AND FALSE,ONLY FATAH OF COURSE AGRESS WITH THE EGYPT PROPOSAL,AND NOW HE WANTS TO PRESSURE HAMAS WITH THE PRETEX THAT THEY DONT WANT THE PALESTINE TO BE UNITED TO SIGN THE PAPER THAT WILL FINALY DESTROY ALL PALESTINIAN HOPES,AND AMAZINGLY WHAT I HEAR IN THE PALESTINE ITS WORKING,PEOPLE START TO BLAME HAMAS FOR NOT WANTING TO JOIN UNITY WITH FATAH!!!!!!!!!UNBELIAVABLE!!!!!

I REALY DONT KNOW WHO SEES FATAH AS A PALESTINIAN PARTY ANYMORE!THEY WILL THROUGH IN THE GARBAGE ALL PALESTINIAN INTEREST AND DEMANDS,THEY REALY DONT CARE ABOUT ANYTHING,THEY WILL ACCEPT ISRAEL AS A JEWISH STATE,ABANDON THE RIGHT OF RETURN,THE RIGHT TO RESISTS,MAN THEY WILL EVEN ABANDON THE EAST JERUSALEM!!THEY WILL ABANDON THE RIGHT TO FULL SOVERIGN STATE,THEY WILL ABANDON THE RIGHT TO HAVE MILITARY POWER IN THE FUTURE,TO HAVE THEIR WATER,AIR SPACE AND EVERYTHING,THE WILL ACCEPT THE "STATE" WITH THE CAPACITY OF ABOUT 5% OF THE LAND!!
AND PEOPLE WILL,I REALY CANOT BELIVE WHY WOULD LET THEM TO DO THAT!!

You said many times IRISH that regardless of everything you think that Hamas must sign the unity agrement.COME ON MAN,BE REAL,WHAT KIND OF UNITY,WHAT KIND OF AGREMENT AND WHAT KIND OF RIGHTS FOR THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE WILL THEY ACHIVE IF THE SIGN THAT INSANE PAPER!!PLEASE COME ON,LETS BE REAL!!+ I FORGET TO MENTION THAT FATAH IS STILL KIDNAPING HAMAS SUPORTERS IN THE WEST BANK EVERY DAY!!
UNITY,YEAH RIGHT!!

And 1 more thing,its time that everybody here stop living in the fairytale world!!
WHEN USA OFICIALY ALOW ISRAEL TO KEEP SETTLEMENTS,THE STORY about the PALESTINIAN STATE IN 1967.BORDERS IS OVER!!!!HOW CAN YOU PEOPLE DONT REALIZE THAT!!????
WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?

ITS REALY SAD THAT I WILL HAVE THE "HONOR" TO SEE THE DESTRUCTION OF THE PALESTINIAN STATE IN MY LIFE TIME!!
THANK YOU GOD,FOR THAT,YOU ARE "REALY GOOD AND FAIR"!

Irish4Palestine said...

Cheers Saladin

Im writing a reply:) will post in sections

Irish4Palestine said...

I spend these last few days IRISH,thinking about the subject of agrement betwen Hamas and fatah,and then it came to me and i said to myself:what an idiot your are,how didnt you manage to put 2 and 2 together!Looks like from the whole depresion that is building in my mind regarding injustice in palestine my brain is starting somethimes to work very slow!

And i finaly put 2 and 2 together and realize how this is another BIG JOKE,and another profe that justice will never prevail!!


>>>>>>Saladin, believe it or not I can understand how you feel here. We have been trying to get justice for Bloody Sunday since 1972 here. Despite two phoney and fake British inquests, still we have no justice. There are HUNDREDS of instances like this that stretch back for 800 years where we may never “get justice” Our Island is still divided, we still do not have all the institutions fully devolved either. No policing and justice. But we are in a process that IS moving forward slowly. I myself, like many of us here get caught up in the day to day injustices that still occur here on a weekly basis, it’s hard to think we are getting anywhere, it’s not happening fast enough, too much has remained the same. But then, I can catch myself lying in bed, or attending a commutation for one of our fallen volunteers (martyrs) And then it comes back to me, exactly just how FAR we really HAVE come. I assure you none of this will be easy for you, even I get rightly pissed off at the American Israeli crap they attempt to pull on Palestine. But I also have the hindsight and experience to know that everything will take a huge amount of time and there will be setbacks and advances, and maybe it won’t work this time, maybe it will take 10 more times, who knows. But I know enough to say that we must all be patient for any radical change, and what is important now is to remain focused and fight for Palestine to get a fair deal, when and if it ever happens. Everything else is out of our hands.


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Irish4Palestine said...

Saladin :

EGYPT IS A PUPPET OF ISRAEL AND USA,SO ITS INPOSIBLE THAT HE WILL PUT ON PAPER A FAIR AGREMENT FOR THE NEXT UNITY GOVERMENT!!

>>> it is not just down to Egypt, let’s not forget that Hamas is in there fighting for what it needs within any unity deal.


AGAIN,HOW STUPID I WAS!OF COURSE THAT EGYPT WILL PUT ON THE PAPER THE CONDITIONS THAT THEY MUST ABANDON THE RIGHT TO RESIST,THE RIGHT OF RETURN AND THAT NEED TO ACEPTING ISRAEL AS THE JEWISH STATE!!

>>>>>> Again, see above. And we should not get so carried away about supposedly recognising Israel. I’ll talk about that another time in depth from a political view. Words play tricks and can mean all sorts of things, trust me there, again I’ll go into this aspect another time.


SO OF COURSE THAT HAMAS DONT WANT TO SIGN THE PAPER!WHAT WAS I THINKING REALY!!??
AND THE OTHER PARTYS ALSO THINK THAT THE EGYPT AGREMENT IS POINTLESS AND FALSE,ONLY FATAH OF COURSE AGRESS WITH THE EGYPT PROPOSAL,AND NOW HE WANTS TO PRESSURE HAMAS WITH THE PRETEX THAT THEY DONT WANT THE PALESTINE TO BE UNITED TO SIGN THE PAPER THAT WILL FINALY DESTROY ALL PALESTINIAN HOPES,AND AMAZINGLY WHAT I HEAR IN THE PALESTINE ITS WORKING,PEOPLE START TO BLAME HAMAS FOR NOT WANTING TO JOIN UNITY WITH FATAH!!!!!!!!!UNBELIAVABLE!!!!!

>>>>>well that is the strategy and why FATAH signed up so quickly right after the Goldstone screw-up. This is politics; they’ve placed the pressure on Hamas. But, as I’ve said before Hamas does not have a great many options, they need to be included in any elections this January.

Irish4Palestine said...

saladin:

I REALY DONT KNOW WHO SEES FATAH AS A PALESTINIAN PARTY ANYMORE!THEY WILL THROUGH IN THE GARBAGE ALL PALESTINIAN INTEREST AND DEMANDS,THEY REALY DONT CARE ABOUT ANYTHING,THEY WILL ACCEPT ISRAEL AS A JEWISH STATE,ABANDON THE RIGHT OF RETURN,THE RIGHT TO RESISTS,MAN THEY WILL EVEN ABANDON THE EAST JERUSALEM!!THEY WILL ABANDON THE RIGHT TO FULL SOVERIGN STATE,THEY WILL ABANDON THE RIGHT TO HAVE MILITARY POWER IN THE FUTURE,TO HAVE THEIR WATER,AIR SPACE AND EVERYTHING,THE WILL ACCEPT THE "STATE" WITH THE CAPACITY OF ABOUT 5% OF THE LAND!!
AND PEOPLE WILL,I REALY CANOT BELIVE WHY WOULD LET THEM TO DO THAT!!

>>>> I agree with much of what you said there. Unfortunately they get votes form the Palestinian people. I am not Palestinian, but I must support whom ever the Palestinians elect. That is why I support Hamas, they were elected with a majority. If hamas sorts this all out and participate in the elections and the US and Israel cannot pull any tricks, then I would expect Hamas to do quite well in the elections myself. A recent poll points to this.

You said many times IRISH that regardless of everything you think that Hamas must sign the unity agrement.COME ON MAN,BE REAL,WHAT KIND OF UNITY,WHAT KIND OF AGREMENT AND WHAT KIND OF RIGHTS FOR THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE WILL THEY ACHIVE IF THE SIGN THAT INSANE PAPER!!PLEASE COME ON,LETS BE REAL!!+ I FORGET TO MENTION THAT FATAH IS STILL KIDNAPING HAMAS SUPORTERS IN THE WEST BANK EVERY DAY!!
UNITY,YEAH RIGHT!!


>>>>>>>>> They don’t have many options Saladin. The reality is that Hamas have fewer weapons and more crude weapons than the IRA had when they fought the British, And Israel has every conceivable state of the art weapon at its disposal. Again I reiterate that the worlds’ focus is now on Palestine like never before, this offers some minimal protection.

Hamas will have to sign a deal at some point, no matter if it is this Egyptian deal or not, they will sign one at some point that’s just how it goes. Conflicts always end with agreements and deals and such. That’s how it is. Hams does not have the luxury of living in a political vacuum where nothing ever changes. They need to become players, not sit on the sidelines, the only way they can become players is to get in the game. This way they can be involved protecting Palestinian interests from FATAH giving them away. Will some things be given way, sure, that’s just the way it is. We gave up so much here and at the time it seemed insane, today things are different, it takes toughness, courage and insight. Peace costs WAY more than war, and it is MUCH harder to do. Should any deal take place the fight then becomes a political one, but it’s still a fight, still a war.

And 1 more thing,its time that everybody here stop living in the fairytale world!!
WHEN USA OFICIALY ALOW ISRAEL TO KEEP SETTLEMENTS,THE STORY about the PALESTINIAN STATE IN 1967.BORDERS IS OVER!!!!HOW CAN YOU PEOPLE DONT REALIZE THAT!!????
WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?

>>>>>>Nothing wrong with me Saladin. I don’t support what you outlined above. All we can do is to keep doing what we are, supporting Palestine, fighting the injustices, voicing our opposition and lobbying our politicians around the world. That’s really all the power we have, but we have the truth and that is powerful:)

ITS REALY SAD THAT I WILL HAVE THE "HONOR" TO SEE THE DESTRUCTION OF THE PALESTINIAN STATE IN MY LIFE TIME!!

>>>>>Saladin the destruction of the Palestinian state has already happened. It happened with Deir Yassin, the Nakba and the continued land grabs and ethnic cleansing by Israel. What we are fighting for is a return of a Palestinians state, one that is sovereign.

THANK YOU GOD,FOR THAT,YOU ARE "REALY GOOD AND FAIR"!

>>>> are you referring to me here? If so what do you mean.

Saladin said...

"ITS REALY SAD THAT I WILL HAVE THE "HONOR" TO SEE THE DESTRUCTION OF THE PALESTINIAN STATE IN MY LIFE TIME!!"

Of course IRISH I KNOW THAT DESTRUCTION OF PALESTINIAN STATE ALREADY HAPPENED,MAYBE I WROTE IT STUPID BECAUSE I DONT KNOW ENGLISH VERY GOOD,I MEANT THAT ALL OF THAT LAND THAT IS LEFT IN THE HANDS OF THE PALESTINIANS WILL BE DESTROYED.

"WHEN USA OFICIALY ALOW ISRAEL TO KEEP SETTLEMENTS,THE STORY about the PALESTINIAN STATE IN 1967.BORDERS IS OVER!!!!HOW CAN YOU PEOPLE DONT REALIZE THAT!!????
WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?"
I didnt say this like i discovered america or something,i just said this because i think that people dont simes to realize in what type of situation palestine is.

"ITS REALY SAD THAT I WILL HAVE THE "HONOR" TO SEE THE DESTRUCTION OF THE PALESTINIAN STATE IN MY LIFE TIME!!
THANK YOU GOD,FOR THAT,YOU ARE "REALY GOOD AND FAIR"!
This 2 sentences are related to each other...........i dont know man why i wrote that,i am just very upset with everything,so that suposed to be an irony,i said that to GOD!

But if you are a GOD IRISH,then please make everything right in the world and bring the peace,love and justice on this planet earth!:)

Irish4Palestine said...

@Saladin

NO worries there your english if very good I think!!:):)

My dear Saladin, I wish I was a God, then I could make it all right. I'm a soldier for justice, who is sick to death of having to fight in this world. But fight we must, and we must fight for palestine until it is free.


I know you are angry, feel free to rant I do everyday it's why I have this blog LOL

You should try not to stress yourself out too much at this early stage, by the end we will all be raving maniacs from stress ;o)

hang in there for now, let's save our energy for when the battles begin:) Its only talk right now

Saladin said...

Israeli bastards again hacked palestine-info site!!

Never mind,this is maybe 30 attack on that site this year,but they alyways restore it!!SO PISS OF ISRAELI TERORISTS,PALESTINIAN SITES WILL AYWAYS BE TUNED IN ON INTERNET!!.......YEAH,SWALOW THAT!!

SEE YAA TOMOROW IRISH,STAY GOOD,SLEEP WELL!!:)

GOTTA GO............

Irish4Palestine said...

@Saladin,

on the hacking? Its most likely these guys:
http://irish4palestine.blogspot.com/2009/02/online-censorship-by-israel.html



have a good night

Saladin said...

Palestine-info is back runing again,so i stayed just for a little while to read all the todays news.

http://www.palestine-info.co.uk/en/default.aspx?xyz=U6Qq7k%2bcOd87MDI46m9rUxJEpMO%2bi1s7Nvr8dGzg6Us3C7U5ONDh2Os18iugmWVUjRfrRCEWIhuSyZEREGdJSeiOvspoqm%2bEuh0OMgmMiynlQ8dffWyJkBZh9B97RvYwbT9bqIZkDOs%3d

READ THIS

OK,NOW I AM GOING,SEE YAA:)

Canada Guy said...

Current trends seem to suggest that the future of Israel will be that of a binational state. While this is not something most Israelis want, even many conservatives Israelis have concluded it may be inevitable.

http://watching-history.blogspot.com/2009/10/israel.html

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