26 October 2009

PEACE DEAL DONE~2nd NAKBA COMING


Israel is having a great time running the show these days!

Wasn’t it just on October 19th, that a proud strutting Netanyahu said in interviews that he and Obama had “agreed” on the “settlement” issue
Netanyahu made these remarks while meeting visiting Spanish Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero last Thursday, saying "we solved the matter of the settlements with the Americans," according to the report.

It is not clear what Netanyahu meant and what details of the "solution" are, but this is the first time that Netanyahu said the settlements issue has been solved, said Ha'aretz
I remember wondering at the time did Israel or Obama bother to inform the Palestinians of what the THEY had decided for them. I also noticed that the “settlement” story fell completely off the radar in the media after one day, no news from the Whitehouse, despite the fact that Netanyahu said this:
"I cannot say more than that. If you are interested in hearing more details, ask in Washington," the Israeli premier was quoted as saying.”
And judging from the silence of the Whitehouse, it’s Israel running the show. And if that’s not enough Israeli “Chutzpah”, Netanyahu has become ever more brazen and has now told the Palestinians exactly what part of Palestine they will get. And it won’t include East Jerusalem and it won’t include Palestinians living in East Jerusalem either. We’re talking Ethnic cleansing here folks, right out in the open, found in a statement from Netanyahu’s lips
“Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Palestinians needed to recognize Israel as a Jewish state in order to resolve their conflict. "Israel is not a bi-national state," he explained. "It's the homeland of any Jew. And there is a very broad consensus in Israel that the Palestinian refugee problem should be resolved outside Israel's borders."
So here’s the choice given to the PA Prime Minister Salam Fayyad by Netanyahu:
Netanyahu said Palestinians will have to make a final peace deal with "the Jewish state of Israel."

"Jews come here and Palestinians will go there. So choose.
So there you have it! Want Peace? Get the hell out of East Jerusalem and everywhere else we decide we want to expand to, and take your refugees and scatter them to other countries. So what does Fayyad say about this, "Ok we’ll take whatever you are willing to let us have": See here:
Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayyad said, in an interview published Saturday, that his government was determined to complete building a structure of a future Palestinian state by 2011. "We've committed ourselves to a path of completing the task of institution building," he told The Washington Post.

He said the institution building meant "the capacity to govern ourselves effectively in all spheres of government within two years." Asked if Palestinians should declare an independent state in 2011, Fayyad said: "I said this will be the program of the Palestinian government -- it will commit itself to deliver the state in terms of capacity within two years."
So this has left me certain of just who is running the so called “Middle East Peace Process” NO one but Israel. And once Israel and America are done fiddling the next Palestinian election, by getting their "boy" re-elected, we'll all have a "done deal" that Israel can be happy with, at the expense of Palestinians worldwide. Don't believe me? read this:
No peace talks before Hamas-Fatah elections

Sources in Jerusalem said on Monday morning that the prospect of imminent negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians was "scant" at best

"The gaps were evident during the round of talks in Washington - the Palestinians would not recognize Israel as the Jewish state,"
(What they mean here is that HAMAS would not recognize Israel as the Jewish State, but Abbas WILL!) MORE:
The sources assessed that Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas would not be able to conduct talks with Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu before the upcoming Fatah-Hamas elections.
So there you have it, the Israel/US/Fatah plan, exclude HAMAS from the elections, FATAH gets elected as the "fake Majority" in an Illegal election, and then Abbas negotiates away ALL the rights of Palestinians as instructed to do by his handlers. He will "recognize" Israel as a "Jewish Only" state, this ENDS the right of return for all those ethnically cleansed Palestinians with KEYS in their hands! Destined to live out the rest of their lives for generations to come in refugee camps worldwide.

Welcome to the "new" state of Palestine. What Palestinians have been waiting for, a non-sovereign statelet, under Israeli control, de-militarised, no right of return and no East Jerusalem. But hey, they'll have a great Israeli mobile phone network and FATAH will get really rich, or should I say "richer" Yes, we'll all be seeing Abbas and Netanyahu shaking hands on the Whitehouse Lawn, a day that will go down in history as the beginning of the next Nakba...........

6 comments:

Saladin said...

Hello IRISH!:)

Regarding your reply on my coment from the article:"ISRAELI SPY CASE, NOT ADDING UP"?

No hard feelings IRISH,but i dont agree with you on that one!

PEOPLE DONT CARE ABOUT ANYTHING,BUT THEMSELFS AND THEIR NEEDS,AND THATS THE FACT,WHETHER YOU WANT TO ACCEPT IT OR NOT!

Besides,lets talk little bit more about that:whos goverments control ALMOUST every politic decisions in the world?THE GOVERMENTS of NORTH AMERICA AND EUROPE(EU)!!

And sorry to say this IRISH,but GENERALY the people from those areas has enough materialistic things that can make them happy,they have prety decent life,but of course they say that they dont because they want to have 3 televisions,2 cars,big house and a lot of money to spend on stupid things!!SO OF COURSE IN THEIR ZOMBIE MINDS THEY THINK THEY DONT LIVE VERY GOOD,SO THATS THE EXCUSE FOR THEM FOR NOT TAKING INTERESTS IN THE WORLDS TRAGEDYS!!VERY PATHETIC!!AND AGAIN I WILL SAY:PEOPLE ADOPTED ONLY MATERIALISM IN THEIR LIFE!!
So i dont think that your point stands good on this one.

This is what i dont get in you:when you write the articles you write the facts on your very good way,the way i like very much(thats the reason why i sign up to this blog),you write in the way that THERE IS NO HOPE FOR THE PALESTINE AND THAT THERE IS NO REASON FOR US TO THINK THAT IN THE FUTURE ANYTHING WILL GO FOR THE BETTER!!which is complety TRUE!!

But when you coment something,you sound very optimistic and i see through that coments that you have a very big faith that the palestine will be free!
Thats what i dont understand:in the articles you are prety pesimistic(or should i say realistic)and in the coments you are prety optimistic.CAN YOU EXPLAIN ME THAT PLEASE?:)

I am not optimistic,i am just realistic(for the most people who dont understand anything they called that pesimistic)!

There is nothing good in palestine that will sugest me that i can start to be optimistic,not today and specialy not for the last 60 years!!

If you know some optimistic fact IRISH then please tell me because i will like very much to be optimistic,but there are NO FACTS THAT SUPORTS THAT THEORY!!

Saladin said...

Part 2 THE FACTS SPEAK FOR THEMSELFS IRISH:

EVERY YEAR ISRAEL CONTROLS MORE OF THE PALESTINIAN LAND,NOW THEY HAVE 80%,IN THE FUTURE THEY WILL HAVE 95%!NOBODY IN THE WORLD DIDNT AND WILL NOT DO ANYTHING FOR PALESTINE,BECAUSE THEY DONT CARE AND THEY ONLY LOOK OUT FOR THEIR OWN STATE INTERERESTS!!
PEOPLE OF PALESTINE LIVE IN THE POOR CONDITIONS FOR THE LAST 60 YEARS AND NOTHING HAS CHANGED!
USA,EU,RUSSIA AND CHINA STAND UP WITH ISRAEL,AND THAT WILL NEVER CHANGE!HAMAS WILL NEVER BE IN THE POSITION TO REPRESENT THE PALESTINE PEOPLE BECAUSE FOREIGN POWERS AND FATAH WILL NOT LET THEM!EVEN IF THEY WIN IN THE ELECTIONS,THAT ELECTIONS WILL NOT BE CONSIDER A LEGAL ONE, TO THE FOR.POWERS.THEY WILL THROUGH THAT ELECTIONS IN THE GARBAGE LIKE THEY DID LAST TIME!EVEN IF HAMAS WON THE ELECTIONS BY 100% OF VOTES THEY WILL NEVER COME TO POWER IN THE WEST BANK!!
BUT I AM SPEAKING STUPID THINGS HERE OF COURSE BECAUSE THE ELECTIONS WILL BE FIXED FOR SURE!!COME ON!

FATAH WILL NEVER LOSE HIS POWER IN THE WEST BANK,AND HE WILL THROUGH ALL THE PALESTINIAN RIGHTS IN THE GARBAGE!!

UNDER THE AQSA MOSQUE FLOATS ON A NETWORK OF TUNNELS UNDER IT!!
AQSA IS GONE MY FRIEND,MAYBE EVEN THIS YEAR,BUT IN THE NEXT YEAR FOR SURE!!
AND WHAT WILL HAPPEN AFTER THAT!!??NOTHING OF COURSE BECAUSE NOBODY GIVES A DAMM!!
WHEN AQSA FALLS ALL THE TALKS ABOUT EAST JERUZALEM FALLS AWAY TOO!!
ISRAEL WILL BUILT MORE AND MORE SETLEMENTS AND NOBODY WILL PREVENT THEM!WHY!?NOBODY GIVES A DAMM!!

HAMAS AND THE RESISTANCE FIGHTERS WILL TRY TO STOP THAT AND ATTACK ISRAEL,BUT THEY DONT HAVE THE MILITARY POWER LIKE ISRAEL,ISRAEL WILL CRUSH THEM TO PEACES AND TAKE CONTROL OF GAZA AGAIN AND INCLUDE IT IN THE ISRAEL STATE!!

THERE WILL BE NO PALESTINE IN THE FUTURE,THE PALESTINIANS WILL LIVE IN STATE OF ISRAEL,IN SOME GHETOS WITH VERY POOR CONDITIONS AND NO FUTURE LIKE THE INDIANS LIVE IN THE USA OR GYPSIES FOR EX.IN MANY DIFERENT STATES INCLUDING MY OWN!!

COME ON IRISH,YOU DONT HAVE TO BE A MIND READER TO FIGURE OUT ALL THESE FUTURE SCENARIOS!BUT I THINK YOU ARE ALREADY FULL AWARE OF ALL OF THAT,AND YOU KNOW IN YOUR MIND THAT THIS WILL HAPPEN!!

BUT I AM TELLING YOU AGAIN,IF you have any POSTIVE FACTS TO PRESENT ME FOR THE FUTURE OF PALESTINE PLEASE DO,BECAUSE I REALY WANT TO BE POSITIVE AND MY FIRST AND ONLY WISH IN THIS WORLD IS TO SEE PALSTINE FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So please answer me WHAT DO YOU THINK WILL HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE,AND ONLY EXPLAIN ME YOUR VISION WITH THE PURE FACTS!!!!

because wishes are wishes and reality is something else....


SEE YAA FRIEND!!:):)

Irish4Palestine said...

Hi Saladin

Thanks you for you comments. I will have to give my reply later tonight. I'll be out most of the day today but will compose a reply tonight.

Irish4Palestine said...

Hello IRISH!:)
PEOPLE DONT CARE ABOUT ANYTHING,BUT THEMSELFS AND THEIR NEEDS,AND THATS THE FACT,WHETHER YOU WANT TO ACCEPT IT OR NOT!

>>>> Well we will have to agree to disagree on that one. I have seen far too many good people wanting to help, and they do not represent their elected governments. This is our problem.

This is what i dont get in you:when you write the articles you write the facts on your very good way,the way i like very much(thats the reason why i sign up to this blog),

>>>> Thank you

More in a minute

Irish4Palestine said...

ANSWER FIRST HALF:

Saladin said:
you write in the way that THERE IS NO HOPE FOR THE PALESTINE AND THAT THERE IS NO REASON FOR US TO THINK THAT IN THE FUTURE ANYTHING WILL GO FOR THE BETTER!!which is complety TRUE!!

But when you coment something,you sound very optimistic and i see through that coments that you have a very big faith that the palestine will be free!.CAN YOU EXPLAIN ME THAT PLEASE?:)
>>>> Sure The political situation is “fluid” and all we can do are “read the tea leaves” every day, so to speak. I am looking at things in an honest political strategic way often when I comment with you. I may not always like what I see, but I have to be honest. Now, the situation changes constantly, and I try to look at the bigger picture. Up until a few days ago I had some hope that Hamas would get in the game and start dismantling Abbas politically where it really matters. Then become involved in negotiations in order to protect the rights of Palestinians from being thrown away by Abbas. However, It now appears that after the last changes to the document that Egypt has now come back to hamas with yet more wording changes. The language and intrepretation of any agreement is extremely important, and it now appears that there is a problem with the language used and that Hamas’ objections and need to go away to “have a think and consult with supporters and factions within” have now been thwarted by Abbas and Egypt refusal to continue in negotiations to resolve the outstanding issues and wording. In short they have hemmed in Hamas into a “no win” situation.

Irish4Palestine said...

ANSWER 2ND HALF
So, this has left hamas with no where to go really. Again I’m only going on what I read and admit this. But unless there is something we don’t know, All they can do now is to shout from the sidelines of Gaza that the election is illegal and abbas is not the legal president as his term expired long ago. As hard as this is for me to say, I have looked at the situation and I can see no way for hamas to effect any real change unless they are somehow able to (dance around the wording in the document) and ultimately partake in the elections and at the very least become re-elected inside Gaza. Otherwise this will all end in tears all around.

Saladin, the reality of the situation is thus: From what I am seeing now, it is clear that either Hamas cannot sign up due to the additional wording, or they cannot get united support from within the factions of their party, and Egypt/Abbas will not give them time to bring all their people on board which is what they would need in order to bring along their supporters with them. Time to explain the political strategy and reasoning, this takes much time as we know here in Ireland.


So Abbas will have his elections in January, gets himself re-elected, the media will say with a majority (although the majority will only be by those who voted, and will NOT include those who boycotted the elections, so it will not be a real majority of Palestinians) however, the US/Israel and FATAH will hail the results and the media will follow suit. Hamas will then be deemed to no longer be in government and no longer part of the government. If they attempt to continue to hold on to governing Gaza, then they will be declared as an illegal coup. And you can figure out what would happen next.

I understand this is quite depressing, but remember things change all the time and we are not aware of behind the scenes talks or tactics or anything else. So I can only go by today’s news, so to speak. In two weeks it can all change. But, I do see an overall pattern taking place that coincides with moves by Israel recently which trouble me greatly.

So, unless something changes, and I hope it does. Abbas will become re-elected, negotiate with Israel/US and make some deal for a Palestinian state acceptable to Israel, not Palestinians. Once that happens it will be very VERY hard to undo, that’s the problem.

I hope I am wrong. We will see over time what takes place. I try to keep an open mind when possible, as things can change. Not even the US and Israel can control everyone and everything. So we will have to wait and see how this all shakes out. That’s the best answer I can give you for now.

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